Horoeusui (October 6, 2008 at 7:17 pm)

the song beginning reminds me metalcore

Gashlycruumb (October 6, 2008 at 2:36 am)

Listening to Chino scream like that makes MY vocal chords bleed. Great song.

lucas0908 (October 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm)

Fuck!!! wish i had forces to scream like this....unbelievable!!!! Chino is amazing because he can sing like a woman and grough like a thunder!

devios6 (October 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm)

Yeah, I agree. The term Nu Metal sucks.But it stuck in magazines like Hit Parader, Kerrang, etc. So to our chagrin I must use it. On Korn and Slipknot, I used to love them when I was in highschool, but their sound doesn't connect with me anymore. Deftones really grabbed me back then [I didn't even know what I was listening to] so they'll always have a spot in my heart, right next to Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Modest Mouse and some other favorites.

inkheart1414 (October 4, 2008 at 4:21 pm)

i know, i'm cool with occasionally using some of the more general terms, like metal, as hypocritical as it may seem, but i've always had a bias towards the term nu metal, because it really was invented by old people in corporations to categorize whatever teens listened to. i mean, come on, how can someone put slipknot and linkin park in the same genre? srry if i got a little pissy, but i guess i kindof took it as you saying 'i don't like korn or slipknot', but i'm srry. i should rspct ur opinion

devios6 (October 4, 2008 at 9:07 am)

And last but not least, Deftones are a band who make music for a living. They sell [read "market"] music to people, and are part of a corporation [Maverick, Warner Bros.]. If those corporate marketers didn't do such a good job of selling us their music, you and I would never have heard of them. Like say, The New Trust. I bet you've never heard of them. But you might if they ever got swooped up by some big ass corporation.

devios6 (October 4, 2008 at 9:00 am)

Now inkheart, categorization saves people a lot of time. That's why we have movie genres like "Action Adventure" and "Film Noir" and "Horror." Sure, they are all movies, but they are not the same, and instead of explicitly stating their differences and similarities, we can just refer to their categorization. It just so happens that "corporate marketers" are also human people, so they do this too. I would suggest loosing the paranoid fear of corporate marketing.

devios6 (October 4, 2008 at 8:53 am)

Okay, sorry. I'll revise it. In retrospect, the Deftones were the only band that came from mainstream music made between 1995 to 2001 that involved a traditional band with lots of distorted guitars and some screaming, mixed with enough new elements of other types of "unclassifiable" music as to warrant a new genre, in retrospect, of all bands that might breach some threshold of commonality with Deftones in this respect, the Deftones were the only one that I can still take seriously.

CygnusFake (October 4, 2008 at 6:42 am)

korn was also very influenced by faith no more.

inkheart1414 (October 4, 2008 at 6:39 am)

dude, whats with this whole categorization obsession? nu metal, heavy metal, pop, rock, hard rock, it's nothing but a corporate marketing tool. music is music, don't try to box away these works of art that were created for us.